I am thinking of doing a kind of Tesco’s two for one special when the meetings start, that is awakening and liberation for the price of liberation. The only thing is everything is costly.

Liesel, what I’m saying now is not a play of words and I know that you are familiar with all the Non-Dual word games that go on, I am aware that you know there is no you, that you know that there is no Liesel. This has absolutely nothing to do with knowing.

It’s not Mea Culpa, there is no ‘Mea’ so there is no Culpa, there is no end and no beginning to what appears as this exchange of comments. I am not one of the good guys, I am not one of the bad guys, I am one (and you could remove the I to get closer, then the am, then the one).

There is no-one. There is no Gilbert and no awakened non-duality heads in a gang, no Urban Guru Cafe people.
There are no separate people at Tony Parsons meetings making comments, none that are clear and none that are confused (only confusion and clarity arising). The only separation is the apparent one in the apparent individual and only from that one apparent separation are there apparent ‘others’ who are not awakened, awakened, between awakening and liberation, liberated etc. There is no one who is liberated as liberation is the seeing that there is no one.

Liesel has only being apparently burned by apparent Non Dual Charlatans as all of that is in the story of a separate self called Liesel.

I know that this Non Duality stuff is a total head fuck and as I have often said it is mostly bullshit as it speaks to separate individual with choice and volition. There is no one who can choose to get into it or get out of it, it’s whats happening. These words to you Liesel are true compassion, unconditional love is the seeing that there is no Liesel, the seeing that the comments made are not good or bad and have no significance whatsoever, they are only Being playing the game of hide and seek.

As regards your earlier comments about my comments at meetings- Of course confusion arose at Tony Parsons meetings and there may have been, like you observed, some kind of effort to keep in line with what was being said. There was some residue of me left, something of me left and simultaneously a seeing that this was absolutely what was being sought and that there was no me at all. I definitely noticed that there seemed to be some kind of wish for it to be seen that what was being spoken about was seen here. And then it was seen that that was also it. Liberation wasn’t something that I can say happened a year ago or six months ago or 6 days ago or six hours ago because it is the end of something that never was and is not a happening or an experience, is not located in time and space. It’s kind of like saying when did I realize that this is eternity? well I didn’t realize is this morning because it was the seeing that there is no this morning.

I think what I enjoyed most about this (apparent) exchange was the point that there is only apparently a separate person over there, when there is apparently a separate person that see’s them as separate. In actuality there is nobody and nothing that is separate.

When one’s in chains then there ain’t none of us free
Martha Scanlan, Isabella

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAjNxYY7AM

Hug
Kenneth

I enjoyed the interview a lot. I just came across conscious tv a few days ago. It was nice to hear an Irish person speaking about non-duality. You have some lovely photographs too.

Best wishes,
Maria

Kenneth, Mea Culpa.

Maybe I’ve been burnt in the past by non-duality charlatans and maybe I saw a non-duality Irish guy and because I’m Irish, I simultaneously saw red and went in for the attack.

Maybe I was overly antagonistic, judgemental and downright bold in an attempt to get a rise out of you.

But no rise happened.

You responded with good grace, good will and good humour. And I can only conclude that you are one of the good guys.

Let’s end this on a happy note. I truly wish you well in however life unfolds for you.

Best Wishes,

Liesel

Liesel suggest you go to Urban Guru cafe, there everyone loves to fight and be ‘right’ all the time. It can be so satisfying to be right.

Nisargadatta used to scream at people when they would ask him questions that were an attempt to try and catch him out..saying “You don’t even know who you are and yet you ask me this. Who are you?”…suggesting that people invest energy in picking holes in the whole world and yet are never curious about that which is doing the hole picking. Though you never get that feeling of being ‘right’ that way,so what would be the point I suppose. Jeebus talked about taking the plank out of your own eye as a suggestion to focus your energy within, not as a practise, not as a practise, not as a practise but just something he said. I bet he heard that from Nisaraggatta..blooy copy cat.

I am excited about your meetings Kenneth if they ever happen.. You’re getting abuse and you’ve hardly opened your mouth …

I better get an invite.. I pay top dollar for enlightenment.

You asked why I would bother contacting someone I find confusing and a poor copy of TP, so I’m gonna ask you the same question, why bother with the blog and new website? If there’s no apparent self there, and you can’t see any other apparent selves, who the hell are you gonna be communicating to?

If all is liberation and the non duality debate is of no relevance – why not just leave it be and enjoy life.

Or is there a special buzz to be had from all those eager, (preferably!) female eyes looking at you with joy and adoration… because you have that uncompromising message (who told them you had it, hmm?!!)

Not bad for a boy from Galway.

Respect!!!

Everything you’ve said is simply your interpretation and perspective. I don’t see separate selves at a Tony Parsons meeting or anywhere else so there is no one here monitoring people’s comments to see if they are confused or if they think themselves to be there. It is only from the perspective of a separate self that it is evaluated and weighed up whether or not there is an apparent ‘other’ separate self. If there is no separate self then there is no apparent other separate self.

There is no ‘Other’ so there is no one who is liberated as opposed to someone beside them who is not liberated. It is from one contracted sense of self that there can be any degree of other contracted sense of self in another.

The whole Liberation, Non-Duality debate is of no relevance as there is no Liberation, no Non -Duality only in the story of an apparent self.

All I can say to you is that if you think this message is a confused one, or that I am a ‘poor copy of Tony Parons’ as you put it- then why even bother contacting me in the first place to leave long comments peppered with personal information such as you having done psychology(!) and judgmental remarks about the interviews??

It’s really amusing to me that you assign me states of mind from comments made at meetings, that you talk about my Non Duality Career! (haha that’s a cracker) and that you would like me to admit that there’s something left of me so I can have a happy ending! Brilliant, really lovely. I have found the whole thing very amusing so thanks once again.
Best
Kenneth

Within the context of this story, can you see where the apparent ‘I’ is coming from? The apparent ‘Kenneth’ gave an apparent interview where he talked about his apparent childhood etc and an apparent awakening he had while doing a course in meditation, followed by a return of the apparent ‘I’ and then a falling away of the apparent ‘I’.

And the apparent ‘Liesel’ was really struck by the fact that everything he said, sounded like a carbon copy of the apparent ‘Tony Parsons’.

Every apparent snowflake is unique ergo isn’t every apparent individual? Why is there no sense of that from your message?

Can you at least entertain the fact that there may be a little bit of the apparent kenneth still there, that hesitates, because I have heard the apparent you at Tony’s gatherings and I have noticed that hesitation, that subtle backtracking to fall in line with what the apparent ‘Tony’ says. And I think that subtle hesitation is there because although it is seen from your perspective that all there is is this and it is stunning, there is also still a teensy bit of apparent confusion.

I don’t men to sound judgemental or antagonistic. For the record, I’d take an awakening any day of the week…

Maybe I’m emailing you because the apparent ‘I’ did psychology and finds this whole thing fascinating. And I hear stories of many apparent people who think liberation has happened (and you know what I mean when I say that) but after a while it’s realised that there’s still a bit of an apparent ‘I’ remaining and it’s almost like they can’t admit it to anyone because too may people think liberation has happened and they can’t backtrack because they’d feel like a tit.

And if your non duality career takes off and that happens to you, it’d be really crappy for you.

But hey, there’s always the possibility that you could end up on an island in fiji with a bunch of sex slave play boy bunny types like Adi Da did and have a great old time… so this story could have a happy ending yet…

What do you think?

Liesel

An uncompromising message then, offers nothing whatsoever to the individual as it does not recognize an individual, it see’s being or unconditional love pretending to be an individual or individualizing. This type of message is much rarer but seems to be cropping up more.

As there is only unconditional love, Being, Liberation or whatever you want to call it, there is only that appearing as both types of messages, it’s just that the function of one is to keep the individual locked into the story and the other can reveal that there is no story. It is impossible for an uncompromising message to not be seen as a carrot of some sort. It is communicated in the knowing that it cannot be communicated without being seen as a carrot to the individual but there is no movement to not disappoint them or to offer them something as of course what is being communicated is the death of the apparent individual. Life is not seen as it really is until there is no ‘me’ looking out at it.
Best
Kenneth